Comments on: Open Video http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/05/29/open-video/ A Laboratory Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:05:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: richard http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/05/29/open-video/comment-page-1/#comment-324 richard Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:07:47 +0000 http://reports.graymattergravy.com/?p=46#comment-324 Great Video Michael, I've been teaching this digital media class the last three semesters, and technology is a huge barrier to creativity. First, we only have PCs, so we can't go with FCP, so we go with Premiere Pro, which is functionally find, but has all sorts of issues dealing with different types of files/codecs. I had to teach stuff like, if you have an .mp4 file, you must first convert it to .mov with quicktime, and sometimes the audio won't import so you have to export separately - etc. This doesn't even cover the always pragmatic issue of compression, disc space, and problems with the university's secure network and new adobe programs not working etc. It's so frustrating, and it would be so cool if there was one "video engine" as you describe, because, at least there would, hypothetically, only be one set of issues to deal with. I look forward to continuing this conversation. ...peace...richard p.s. If I want to subscribe to all Verdi videos, how would I do that? Great Video Michael,

I’ve been teaching this digital media class the last three semesters, and technology is a huge barrier to creativity.

First, we only have PCs, so we can’t go with FCP, so we go with Premiere Pro, which is functionally find, but has all sorts of issues dealing with different types of files/codecs. I had to teach stuff like, if you have an .mp4 file, you must first convert it to .mov with quicktime, and sometimes the audio won’t import so you have to export separately – etc.

This doesn’t even cover the always pragmatic issue of compression, disc space, and problems with the university’s secure network and new adobe programs not working etc.

It’s so frustrating, and it would be so cool if there was one “video engine” as you describe, because, at least there would, hypothetically, only be one set of issues to deal with.

I look forward to continuing this conversation.

…peace…richard

p.s. If I want to subscribe to all Verdi videos, how would I do that?

]]> By: Verdi http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/05/29/open-video/comment-page-1/#comment-318 Verdi Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:25:35 +0000 http://reports.graymattergravy.com/?p=46#comment-318 Ha! There is actually an old school Bell touch-tone phone just out of frame. The TV I used a few years ago to do some cool old B&W crappy video effects. Ha! There is actually an old school Bell touch-tone phone just out of frame. The TV I used a few years ago to do some cool old B&W crappy video effects.

]]> By: jay dedman http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/05/29/open-video/comment-page-1/#comment-317 jay dedman Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:14:34 +0000 http://reports.graymattergravy.com/?p=46#comment-317 I love how you have a TV with "turn dials" behind you. Where's the rotary phone run on steam? I love how you have a TV with “turn dials” behind you. Where’s the rotary phone run on steam?

]]> By: Jason Daniels http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/05/29/open-video/comment-page-1/#comment-312 Jason Daniels Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:51:22 +0000 http://reports.graymattergravy.com/?p=46#comment-312 although.......I do like Miro's bittorrent client that is built in to their player. But the always on thing is not great for people with laptops only. Am I wrong? although…….I do like Miro’s bittorrent client that is built in to their player. But the always on thing is not great for people with laptops only. Am I wrong?

]]> By: Jason Daniels http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/05/29/open-video/comment-page-1/#comment-311 Jason Daniels Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:33:48 +0000 http://reports.graymattergravy.com/?p=46#comment-311 While I think the bittorrent idea is a great one, my experience has been that for the everyday user p2p might not work for them (Digitalbicycle project). To clarify, if I am working on a specific project and I want to 'up res' the final cut to HD - yeah - I'd be willing to let my machine sit open and do that. There would be a window open for that, but then I would want to close the window. In the long run, for older projects, for ongoing collaborations, I would want some access to these archives, and to the source material from years past. In this case, even the source material needs to have standardized metadata, but moreover I guess I am thinking that there should be some kind of archive (and obviously there are) that would be for source footage, specifically. Is that what Kaltura is up to? We all know how challenging it is to search the Internet Archive, so I'm not sure what the answer is. My main point is that bittorrent is only part of the answer. Working in a public school as I am, there is no way I can use any p2p, and the high school TV program never get to take advantage of this. While I think the bittorrent idea is a great one, my experience has been that for the everyday user p2p might not work for them (Digitalbicycle project). To clarify, if I am working on a specific project and I want to ‘up res’ the final cut to HD – yeah – I’d be willing to let my machine sit open and do that. There would be a window open for that, but then I would want to close the window.

In the long run, for older projects, for ongoing collaborations, I would want some access to these archives, and to the source material from years past.

In this case, even the source material needs to have standardized metadata, but moreover I guess I am thinking that there should be some kind of archive (and obviously there are) that would be for source footage, specifically. Is that what Kaltura is up to?

We all know how challenging it is to search the Internet Archive, so I’m not sure what the answer is.

My main point is that bittorrent is only part of the answer. Working in a public school as I am, there is no way I can use any p2p, and the high school TV program never get to take advantage of this.

]]> By: lauren galanter http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/05/29/open-video/comment-page-1/#comment-298 lauren galanter Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:07:48 +0000 http://reports.graymattergravy.com/?p=46#comment-298 This is great stuff and it echoes a lot of thoughts I've had about video workflows. I really like the idea of using proxy videos to collaboratively edit and having them matched to the original HD content. Maybe with an open video engine, people could edit together with some kind of remote access to each others' computers - even if one is PC and one is Mac. This is great stuff and it echoes a lot of thoughts I’ve had about video workflows. I really like the idea of using proxy videos to collaboratively edit and having them matched to the original HD content.

Maybe with an open video engine, people could edit together with some kind of remote access to each others’ computers – even if one is PC and one is Mac.

]]> By: Verdi http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/05/29/open-video/comment-page-1/#comment-297 Verdi Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:55:23 +0000 http://reports.graymattergravy.com/?p=46#comment-297 Renat, Yep, I've been talking about similar things for a while now. A couple of years ago Jay Dedman and I worked for SpinXpress which I've used numerous times to send giant video files back and forth across the globe. <a href="http://michaelverdi.com/2007/04/27/a-conversation-about-distributed-production/" rel="nofollow">Here's a video I made about what we were up to.</a> I'm not a business guy but I do know that I wouldn't want to use a editing program that had ads built into it. I would however pay for services - hosting, backups, extra features, etc. Renat,
Yep, I’ve been talking about similar things for a while now. A couple of years ago Jay Dedman and I worked for SpinXpress which I’ve used numerous times to send giant video files back and forth across the globe. Here’s a video I made about what we were up to.

I’m not a business guy but I do know that I wouldn’t want to use a editing program that had ads built into it. I would however pay for services – hosting, backups, extra features, etc.

]]> By: Gena http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/05/29/open-video/comment-page-1/#comment-296 Gena Sat, 30 May 2009 13:51:17 +0000 http://reports.graymattergravy.com/?p=46#comment-296 I think the codec/ease of production idea is critical to carry open source video forward. There are a bunch of time pressed bloggers who want to include video but do not have the time or technical ability to grasp the process. There is no lack of desire about creating work. As most of us who tried to educate folks you know there is that point of eye glaze/I'm overwhelmed that occurs. We can get folks over it but certain the process should be as easy as snapping a still photo and printing. The process should accommodate the creators and potential users who don't necessarily want to vlog but need to explain a process or document a bit of their life. In other words, yeah, hell yeah, the codec thing. I think the codec/ease of production idea is critical to carry open source video forward. There are a bunch of time pressed bloggers who want to include video but do not have the time or technical ability to grasp the process.

There is no lack of desire about creating work. As most of us who tried to educate folks you know there is that point of eye glaze/I’m overwhelmed that occurs. We can get folks over it but certain the process should be as easy as snapping a still photo and printing.

The process should accommodate the creators and potential users who don’t necessarily want to vlog but need to explain a process or document a bit of their life.

In other words, yeah, hell yeah, the codec thing.

]]> By: ryanne http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/05/29/open-video/comment-page-1/#comment-295 ryanne Sat, 30 May 2009 03:02:55 +0000 http://reports.graymattergravy.com/?p=46#comment-295 yes the proxy editing was called 'offline' and the final was called 'online'. this was my life at WGBH. get all the offline (low res) footage in and then online (up res) everything 3 months later. i think we need to avoid that terminology because of what 'offline' and 'online' mean today in terms of the internets. might confuse people. online your offline footage y'all. love the presentation! i'm excited to talk more with people at the conference. yes the proxy editing was called ‘offline’ and the final was called ‘online’. this was my life at WGBH. get all the offline (low res) footage in and then online (up res) everything 3 months later. i think we need to avoid that terminology because of what ‘offline’ and ‘online’ mean today in terms of the internets. might confuse people. online your offline footage y’all.

love the presentation! i’m excited to talk more with people at the conference.

]]> By: Enric http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/05/29/open-video/comment-page-1/#comment-294 Enric Sat, 30 May 2009 00:12:02 +0000 http://reports.graymattergravy.com/?p=46#comment-294 Nice, simple, clear, 5 mile view of end to end video architecture. Wasn't/isn't the video proxies called offline editing? Nice, simple, clear, 5 mile view of end to end video architecture. Wasn’t/isn’t the video proxies called offline editing?

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